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Friday, February 19, 2010

Ae Fond Post and then we Sever (Part Two)

In other news, Uncle Jimmy still hasn't worked out why I found his comment so funny, because he still hasn't the vaguest inkling of why his hero's description of his attempt to promote the tourist industry made him look such an idiot. He's tried posting here again (and been deleted following the RR principle) . Meanwhile on his own blog he demonstrates his usual double standards and hypocrisy. Nobody is allowed to call Tony Blair a criminal because he hasn't been convicted. Yet it's OK for him to call Binyam Mohamed a terrorist despite Binyam's having had no trial, let alone conviction. Uncle Jimmy doesn't need a trial: he has proof (sorry, PROOF). What proves Binyam to be a terrorist is apparently that a couple of neocon nutjobs (Mark Thiessen, a former speechwriter for George W Bush and Donald Rumsfeld, and a big pal of Dick Cheney, and Andy McCarthy, who once worked for Rudy Giuliani and is best-known for his contention that waterboarding isn't torture) say so. (You have to love the way Thiessen says "the CIA Inspector General’s report....was supposed to prove a) a pattern of systemic CIA abuse and b) that the CIA program did not work. Instead, it proved the opposite.". Then he cites in his "evidence" that " the night before their departure from Pakistan to carry out the mission, KSM, Ammar, and Ramzi Bin al-Shibh hosted a farewell dinner for the two terrorists — a send-off to America from the men responsible for the destruction of Sept. 11, 2001."

If these worthies say so, then it must be true, right? Wrong.

That "farewell dinner"? Never even happened.

As it happens, one of the confessions that was tortured out of Binyam is so ludicrous that it was soon dropped, but not before Clive Stafford Smith had learnt of it and had been able to use it to demonstrate the extent to which it indicated that all of Binyam's "confessions" were untrustworthy. As he explained in his book The Eight O'Clock Ferry to the Windward Side, "[T]he U.S. authorities insisted that Padilla and Binyam had dinner with various high-up members of al-Qaeda the night before Padilla was to fly off to America. According to their theory the dinner party had to have been on the evening of April 3rd in Karachi … Binyam was meant to have dined with Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, Abu Zubaydah, Sheikh al-Libi, Ramzi bin al-Shibh and Jose Padilla." What made the scenario "absurd," as Stafford Smith pointed out, was that "two of the conspirators were already in U.S. custody at the time -- Abu Zubaydah was seized six days before, on 28 March 2002, and al-Libi had been held since November 2001."

In the comments, one of Jimmy's sock puppets says "We should send him back to Ethiopia or extradite him for trial to Afghanistan if there is the evidence to prosecute", to which Jimmy replies in his own voice 'some of us don’t necessarily accept that he should be treated as “human”'.

There's much more of that kind of thing in his post on 10 February. Headlined 'Britain is NOT Binyam Mohamed’s “home”. A 4th election victory is in the bag.' it goes on to shriek in bold red and black capitals "HIS HOME? NO, IT’S OUR HOME & WE DON’T SHARE IT WITH TERRORISM SUSPECTS".

Apparently "the courts have handed David Milliband and the Labour party an election-winning card". What card might that be, I wonder?



To clarify, he reprints several dozen comments from the Daily Telegraph, saying "These commenters are right". (So he can't pretend this time that he's only publishing the (carefully cherry-picked) comments to support free speech.) And what are they saying?

The man is not British. Resident does not mean citizen or subject. The passport he had was forged. I don’t know why the High Court is wasting time on this.

Oh please do us all a favour, and shut up about abuse of human rights again. Firstly where is the evidence that the supposed torture happened. Secondly this was an Ethiopian, captured in Afganistan, and interrogated, harshly or otherwise, in Pakistan and Morocco. These are both sovereign and Islamic countries. Might I ask what the hell this has to do with Britain, or our pontificating, politically correct judiciary. Where (sic) this a British citizen then he should stand trial for treason, in a British court of law.

Binyam Mohamed is not British, is not a British resident (he may have once lived in the UK) and was strongly suspected of having terrorist links. Why is the UK judicial system getting involved with this man and putting the UK/US intelligence sharing agreement in jeopardy? Thank goodness that the US government has the backbone to take real action in the supression of terrorism. The human rights of the many (us)outweigh the rights of one foreign terrorist suspect. If this man has been tortured, then those now making a fuss should address their concerns to those who did so, not encumbering our courts with this nonsense.

I notice that you didn’t mention that Al-Queda training materials instruct their members to ALWAYS claim torture. Nor, more importantly, did you point out how dozens of those released from Guantanamo have gone back to terrorism! Not that I expect impartiality and fairness from someone affiliated with Amnesty International, of course. How much of your time do you waste attacking democracies, and how little time do you spend going after dictatorships that violate human rights on a far more massive and blatant scale than democracies could ever imagine?

Who cares! These guys are terrorists and deserve what they get. An Ethiopian trying for residency in Britain, caught in Afghanistan where he was “sorting out personal issues” – don’t make me laugh!!!!

I really do not care if this foreign national was tortured on foreign territory by foreign agents. Resident does not equate to citizen. The big question is why was this terrorist allowed British residency in the first place?

As far as the alibi of the traditional Guantanamo inmate, that they wandered away from a wedding in Stepney and then mysteriously ambled into a Guerilla training camp on the Afghan\Pakistan border, that should be a warning to anyone who wants them to live in dangerous britain. Freed on british streets, they seem incapable of finding their way home. Bad idea to house them here then.

The best solution is not to allow entrance to any nationals of Middle Eastern and African countries. Then there will be fewer such anguished moral problems for m’learned friends to debate in our courts for which we, the taxpayers, foot the bill.

Oh, the "send then all back where they came from" card. Of course.

Note that the last commenter I quote, whom BullShitter thought was "right", and of whom he thought sufficiently highly to abstract his pearl of wisdom, makes no distinction between Muslims and Islamic extremists. Nor indeed between Muslims and other "nationals of Middle Eastern and African countries". All niggers, wogs and Jews, innit?

I wonder whether there is any comment too outrageously racist to be fawningly reprinted by Uncle Jimmy, the fascists' friend.

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